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Augustinus's avatar

I have wondered many times what it must be like for a couple preparing for marriage to have preparation meetings with their local priest or pastor. Specifically, I mean couples that regularly attend Mass, and hunger for closeness to the sacraments and the Lord.

What is it like when they meet with a priest, even a young one, for such meetings, and he's gay, closeted, and has no idea what it is like for two heterosexuals to be attracted to each other? And who has no idea of the import of a father's leadership in the family? Masculine strength and leadership of his parish community? A couple's openness to children? What is it to desire a family when your sexual orientation is a dead end? Does he just recite a script he learned in the seminary?

This isn't taking into account couples that get married in the Church just to please Aunt Augusta. I doubt an effeminate, or ambiguously oriented priest will inspire them to return to the practice of their faith.

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Gene Thomas Gomulka's avatar

I think you make an excellent point. It's interesting that I'm still in touch with couples I married 50 years ago. I doubt that many gay priests can say that.

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William Murphy's avatar

I recall Fr Edward Holloway RIP, editor of Faith Magazine in England. Decades ago, he was considering complaints about "lonely" priests. He declared that his biggest problem was keeping up all the warm wonderful relationships he had enjoyed with past parishioners as he was inevitably moved from one very busy parish to another.

He had seen people at their best times (marriage, baptism). And on the days when he was burying their grandmother or holding their hands after their youngest child had been diagnosed with cancer. No wonder parishioners wanted to stay in touch.

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Gene Thomas Gomulka's avatar

Every week I hear from a number of Catholics and non-Catholics, usually via email, whom I served as a priest and military chaplain over the past 50+ years. If you are ordained for the right reasons, you can have a fulfilling ministry. I pity the priests who were groomed/abused in seminaries and went on to be ordained because they didn't want to return to their families as homosexuals. Their closeted lives did not allow them to have the same spiritually rewarding experiences that I had. Instead of bonding with parishioners, they bonded mainly with other closeted priests.

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Reprobater's avatar

Because those virginal and "celibate" straight priests are such experts.

"And who has no idea of the import of a father's leadership in the family..." The 1950s called - They want their early psychoanalytic theory back.

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ab's avatar

What do you think marriage preparation is about? It's certainly not about passing down any tricks of sexual nature. A virtuous priest can absolutely guide a couple without telling or asking about their intimate business.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

Get your mind off sex. Never coupled priests can absolutely guide a couple ...

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Jack Phillip's avatar

So true. A masculine, virile priest is very appealing to young couples, a true ‘daddy, as the expression goes.

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Graeme Smith's avatar

Please don't use the formerly honourable word "gay" to describe homosexuals.

It is political language fashioned by feminists and homosexualists to make the sodomite lifestyle seem fun-loving, carefree, etc.

When one uses the word gay to mean homosexual, one is advancing the homosexualist agenda.

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William Murphy's avatar

Thanks so much, Fr Gene.

Another obvious way that a senior homosexual cleric's ministry is going to be affected is sheer crude blackmail. The obvious US example is Archbishop Weakland of Milwaukee who gave 450K USD of diocesan money to his ex-boyfriend.

https://eu.sj-r.com/story/lifestyle/faith/2009/06/14/memoir-offers-glimpse-into-life/41740980007/

Another highly suspect example is Pope Paul VI who was allegedly caught by police coming out of a gay brothel in Milan in the 1950s.

https://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2018-11-11/newspaper-letters/Paul-s-homosexuality-6736199110

It probably did not help that Italy had one of the largest Communist parties in the world. Any pelvic urges by senior clergy would probably arrive on a Moscow desk. So Paul was probably open to blackmail either on his own account or in respect of his senior bent friends. It is one of the most plausible explanations as to why Vatican II did not condemn Communism and why Paul's Ostpolitik favoured Communism.

And, even without explicit blackmail, a gay cleric needs a few dollars more than an honest celibate priest, if only to keep his boyfriend in holidays, meals out, etc . OK, a few hundred thousand dollars more if you are Fat Eddie Arsenault in New Hampshire.

https://www.doj.nh.gov/news-and-media/indictments-charging-edward-j-arsenault-iii-theft-filed-today

And, even if he is financially honest, a bent cleric will keep quiet about sexual morality. In the modern church, you can blather till your tongue falls out about social justice, the environment, loving the poor, etc. So no one, least of all your bishop, will care that you are avoiding hot button issues. Ex-Father Richard Barton was quite frank about his preaching practices.

"For years, in the parishes in which I served, I played down the church’s moral teaching and never really preached about sexual matters. Instead I focused on what I saw to be more important issues such as social justice"

https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/5119/leaving-the-priesthood-a-personal-story

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Gene Thomas Gomulka's avatar

Wow! You taught me a lot! That's why I once said, "Sometimes the comments are more informative than the article." Thanks for your great input!

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Gene Thomas Gomulka's avatar

Because I was never laicized. And besides, I didn't quit. My gay archbishop revoked my ecclesiatical endorsement because I reported clerical abuse just like Bishop Strickland was removed from Tyler because he addressed clerical predation and homosexual misconduct. What's your problem? I see that you identify yourself as "a dimwitted, hateful cultist." Very, very strange indeed!

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Al's avatar

Do you still say Mass privately in your home?

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Gene Thomas Gomulka's avatar

I used to until I found an inspiring place to worship.

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Al's avatar

You’re a priest forever. We need your heavenly intercession. Please offer the sacrifice of the Mass for all of who have suffered sexual abuse at the hands of those we once trusted. God will one day judge you not as a Catholic bu as a priest first and foremost. You have my prayers Father!

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MeriBear's avatar

I will add you to my daily prayer list, which includes, among others, Bishop Strickland and AB Carlos Maria Vigano. I pray for all holy priests, as well as return to tradition and the cessation of the cartoonish NO rite.

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TruthSeeker's avatar

I never know what to do with this information because it is so disturbing. The sexual tendencies, for whatever reason, are troubling enough, but more so the cover-ups and implications as indicated here. No wonder the flagrant displays and practices at some “progressive” churches are not admonished by bishops but appear to be condoned, and the same is true of Catholic schools and universities. Those of us who are opposed to it are considered out-of-touch and archaic in our beliefs. Other than pray, what can a lone parishioner do? It appears concerns to our bishops and perhaps even now Pope Leo (surely Francis by his actions and associations) might fall on deaf ears.

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Janet's avatar

Everyone needs to close their wallets in every diocese in the United States. The checks that I make out to our church who does have a Sunday and holy day tlm are made out to the building fund, never, I repeat never to the name of the church

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Regina Weiner's avatar

Our diocese hasn't held our Peter's Pence collection yet and won't until next Sunday. I just heard Anthony Styne say that the last leg of the Synod on Synodality begins tomorrow. So, Father Gomulka, between you and Mr. Styne, it appears that Peter's Pence will be business as usual for me for another year. Sorry, Holy Father, this American is not interested in participating in a Petrine Ministry not even imaginative enough to be known for its own brand of corruption. Peter's Pence was designated for the poor, not for improvident clerics. You can sell that condo in London for chump change.

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Gene Thomas Gomulka's avatar

The Vatican is in serious financial trouble with an annual operating deficit that grew to over $90 million in 2023. With millions of church-taxed Germans leaving the Church (522,821 in 2022 and 400,000 in 2023), did the cardinals elect American-born Cardinal Robert Prevost with the hope that he could convince wealthy American conservatives to cough up money to rescue the scandal-ridden Church from going broke?

The conclave happened to coincide with an annual Vatican fundraising jamboree known as “America Week,” a week of lavish Rome parties, that saw €1 billion committed to the Vatican should the “right pope” be elected. If the plan to save the debt ridden Church is going to succeed, and if Catholics are going to contribute to the Peter’s Pence collection, the bishops may need to convince wealthy conservative Catholics that: 1) The Pope and Bishops will no longer tolerate clerics who engage in or cover up the sexual abuse of minors and vulnerable adults; 2) Church leaders, in keeping with the natural law and biblical morality, will withdraw support for the LGBTQ agenda exemplified in Pope Francis’ Fiducia Supplicans; and 3) Catholics will not be restricted in their access to the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) .

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) and the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights would like Catholics to believe that “Clergy Sex Abuse in the U.S. is virtually disappearing.” Citing a 32% decline in child abuse allegations between 2023 and 2024, the bishops would like the laity, including wealthy donors, to believe that efforts on their part to reduce abuse are proving effective. Sex abuse advocates who work with victims know that the USCCB statistics may show a decrease in reporting, but not necessarily a drop in actual clerical abuse. Reporting was higher in the recent past mainly because states like California, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, and others opened their statutes of limitation to file lawsuits against dioceses and religious orders. Many of these abuse cases would never have been reported if the states had not lifted their abuse statutes.

The distinction between predators committing abuse, and victims reporting abuse, is critical. Insofar as the average age for reporting child abuse is 52, the USCCB cannot say if clerical abuse today is lower than it may have been in the past. If clerical abuse, and not simply the reporting of abuse, is truly decreasing, it is mainly due to the fact that there are 65% fewer American-born priests in active ministry today than there were in 1970.

Fiducia Supplicans, concocted by homosexual clerics in the Roman (not Greek) Catholic Church, and opposed by heterosexual bishops from Africa, Asia, and elsewhere, failed to change the Catholic Church’s teaching on homosexuality. The majority of Catholics, like most Americans who voted out the pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ, DEI, Democratic Administration, are angry with their children being taught in school, or by priests like Jesuit Father James Martin, that gay relationships are as normal, natural, and moral as the life-giving love shared between a husband and a wife in marriage. Interestingly, American-born bishops and priests, the majority of whom are homosexuals today, including those removed from ministry for abusing minors and vulnerable adults, were groomed/abused either before or after they entered Catholic seminaries (by a relative, priest, seminary faculty member, or older seminarian) which moved them to be ordained and live their entire lives in the closet of the Church.

The third requirement that many conservative American Catholics may have for giving is the lifting of restrictions on the celebration of the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM). Now that it has been revealed that the majority of bishops around the world did not speak with “clarity” and “unity” to curtail the celebration of the TLM, many would like Pope Leo XIV to abrogate Traditionis Custodes.

If you were a conservative American Catholic billionaire and you were asked to contribute to the Peter’s Pence collection, you might want proof that Pope Leo XIV was truly intent on: 1) Disciplining predators and bishops who cover up abuse like Archbishop George Lucas and Washington Cardinal Robert McElroy who are credibly accused by two women of covering-up their abuse as documented in “The Prayer of the Prey;” 2) Opposing attempts by pro-LGBTQ Cardinals like Robert McElroy, Blase Cupich, Reinhard Marx. and others to change the Church’s teaching on homosexuality; and 3) Lifting restrictions on the celebration of the TLM including places like the Archdiocese of Detroit and the Diocese of Charlotte.

After it was shown that only 10 cents out of every dollar contributed to a previous Peter’s Pence collection actually went to support charitable works, while the remaining 90 cents was used to invest in real estate and Hollywood films, Catholics are naturally skeptical about this annual appeal. As long as Catholics continue to “pay, pray, and obey” without attaching any strings to their contributions, one should not expect to see the above three conditions met.

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Regina Weiner's avatar

Thank you for the reply, Father. You know, for me, what drove me out of the Church for two decades wasn't the sexual abuse or the liturgy. It was the scandal of the youngest priests scoffing at Church teaching on faith and morals. It was rife in my high school, and the later gossip about which priest was dying of what was absolutely no surprise.

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John Brophy's avatar

Interesting article and comments. I was not aware of the 80% number (or perhaps I dismissed it as incedible). The implications are enormous in all spheres of ministry. Ultimately, if they are living a lie, how can they profess the truth? Maybe that's why so many do not speak out forcefully when needed.

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William Murphy's avatar

Of course, people like Archbishop Weakland want the Church's teaching to match their pelvic urges. After he was caught in the massive embezzlement, he declared that the Church's teaching was just wrong.

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Diana Compton's avatar

Closeted clergy get there because they lied to the seminary, their fellow seminarians, their bishop, their fellow priests, and their parish. Every word out of their mouths is a lie. Clearly, they do not believe Scripture, the catechism, nor magesterial prohibitions against their behavior. Parishioners are repulsed. The harms they have wrought are incalculable.

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Diana Compton's avatar

Your ripostes need work. Ad hominem does not qualify. Try again.

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Robert Kumpel's avatar

The saddest thing about this article is that it holds few surprises.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

Linking to a 20-year old Paul Cameron article in support of your argument detracts from your credibility. "Family Research Initiative" - sure.

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Gene Thomas Gomulka's avatar

Where is the link in my article? Please quote what was hyperlinked as I had to look up who Paul Cameron is.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

Your point number-2.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16613625/

You don't even know how you attempt to support your own argument/rant. I'm completely unsurprised.

Guy is an absolute homo-hating legend. Difficult to believe an expert such as yourself would not know who he is. Check Wikipedia. You're going to love his work.

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Gene Thomas Gomulka's avatar

Thank you for your input. I removed the Cameron link; replaced it with a much more recent study; and changed the text.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

Recency was less the issue than the Cameron part. I know Wikipedia is for the hopelessly woke, but;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cameron?wprov=sfla1

Getting booted from APA and disavowed by resolution by American Sociological Association (way back in the mid 1980s) was impressive. And court findings like;

After Cameron submitted affidavits to the U. S. District Court of Dallas in Baker v. Wade (1985), Judge Buchmeyer wrote in his opinion that Cameron had engaged in "fraud" and "misrepresentations to this Court"[20] noting that, "His sworn statement that 'homosexuals are approximately 43 times more apt to commit crimes than is the general population' is a total distortion of the Kinsey data upon which he relies – which, as is obvious to anyone who reads the report, concerns data from a non-representative sample of delinquent homosexuals (and Dr. Cameron compares this group to college and non-college heterosexuals)."

Apoligies for the he intrusion.

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Colleen Stewart's avatar

Why are we even talking about this? The culture is obsessed with sexual orientation. Let’s obsess over God, our Mama Mary, and Jesus’ Sacred Heart.

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Gene Thomas Gomulka's avatar

Because the sexual orientation of the pope and bishops impacts how they and the priests they ordain present "God, our Mama Mary, and Jesus' Sacred Heart" to the Catholic faithful. Because the Governor of North Carolina was influenced by gay clergy, he vetoed a bill that officially recognized only two biological sexes in North Carolina; blocked taxpayer funding for “gender-affirming” surgeries and hormones; protected students from being forced to share overnight sleeping quarters based on “gender identity;” and reined in DEI indoctrination in schools and government. When asked why he did what Catholics might believe to be an anti-Christian move on his part, he said his "Christian Faith" moved him to do so. Now that Pope Leo continues to uphold Fiducia Supplicans, the blessing of same-sex couples, more and more families and children will be urged by the homosexually oriented pope, bishops, and priests to accept homosexual behavior as normal and natural as the life giving relationship between a husband and a wife. So, unless you want your children and grandchildren to be in favor of homosexual behavior, transgender surgeries on children, and the abortion of innocent unborn children, then I believe you should be concerned if the pope and bishops are straight or gay.

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Kathryn O's avatar

Perhaps the should take their celibacy more seriously and become eunuchs

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Patrick O'Brien's avatar

"Frédéric Martel...document(s) in his book, In the Closet of the Vatican, how one in five clerics in the Vatican are homosexuals." I am sure you mean "four in five."

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Gene Thomas Gomulka's avatar

Thanks! Corrected online! It was late when I published it. I also found an "are" that I changed to "is." ("Catholics who argue that the sexual orientation of the pope, bishops, or priests is not important...).

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Hawk Doc's avatar

INCREDIBLY SO

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